1 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:11,020 foreign 2 00:00:33,950 --> 00:00:16,310 [Music] 3 00:00:37,370 --> 00:00:33,960 UFO Abduction research gone sideways by 4 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:37,380 Charles Lear in 2010 an article by 5 00:00:42,170 --> 00:00:39,600 Jeremy vaney headlined the incredible 6 00:00:44,690 --> 00:00:42,180 visitations of Emma Woods appeared in 7 00:00:46,970 --> 00:00:44,700 the November issue of UFO magazine that 8 00:00:48,650 --> 00:00:46,980 caused people in the UFO Community to 9 00:00:50,869 --> 00:00:48,660 take a hard look at the methods and 10 00:00:53,450 --> 00:00:50,879 conclusions of the two most prominent 11 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:53,460 people in Alien Abduction research Emma 12 00:00:57,950 --> 00:00:56,160 Woods was the pseudonym of a woman who 13 00:01:00,950 --> 00:00:57,960 lived in England and she was one of 14 00:01:02,750 --> 00:01:00,960 David jacobs's research subjects she had 15 00:01:04,789 --> 00:01:02,760 posted some tapes of her hypnosis 16 00:01:06,830 --> 00:01:04,799 sessions with him that contained some 17 00:01:09,649 --> 00:01:06,840 details that Jacobs probably would have 18 00:01:11,390 --> 00:01:09,659 preferred had not been made public Woods 19 00:01:15,050 --> 00:01:11,400 provided more details in an interview 20 00:01:18,109 --> 00:01:15,060 she gave on March 29 2010 on the 21 00:01:20,450 --> 00:01:18,119 peritopia podcast hosted by veiny and 22 00:01:22,910 --> 00:01:20,460 Jeff Ritzman which appear in the UFO 23 00:01:25,670 --> 00:01:22,920 magazine article the article prompted 24 00:01:27,950 --> 00:01:25,680 Bud hopkins's wife Carol Rainey to write 25 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:27,960 an article of her own headlined the 26 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:30,420 priests of high strangeness published in 27 00:01:36,469 --> 00:01:34,020 2011 in Volume 1 Number One of peritopia 28 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:36,479 magazine detailing some of hopkins's 29 00:01:40,969 --> 00:01:38,400 methods with his subjects as well 30 00:01:43,429 --> 00:01:40,979 according to Vani Woods underwent 31 00:01:46,130 --> 00:01:43,439 Psychotherapy as an adult for a variety 32 00:01:48,230 --> 00:01:46,140 of normal reasons she explained on the 33 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:48,240 podcast that she'd had experiences 34 00:01:53,389 --> 00:01:50,280 throughout her life that she classified 35 00:01:55,910 --> 00:01:53,399 as anomalous including being visited by 36 00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:55,920 a tall cloth humanoid who gave her a key 37 00:02:00,350 --> 00:01:58,320 and told her telepathically that at some 38 00:02:03,530 --> 00:02:00,360 point in her life she'd need to use it 39 00:02:05,209 --> 00:02:03,540 according to her the need never arose as 40 00:02:07,609 --> 00:02:05,219 for anything close to an abduction 41 00:02:09,889 --> 00:02:07,619 experience she said she had also had 42 00:02:11,869 --> 00:02:09,899 encounters with small humanoids who had 43 00:02:15,110 --> 00:02:11,879 either brown skin or brown clothing 44 00:02:17,390 --> 00:02:15,120 according to vaney it took Woods several 45 00:02:19,369 --> 00:02:17,400 years to build up enough trust in her 46 00:02:21,650 --> 00:02:19,379 therapist to share these experiences 47 00:02:23,570 --> 00:02:21,660 with him he was open to exploring these 48 00:02:25,369 --> 00:02:23,580 with her having gotten to the point with 49 00:02:27,410 --> 00:02:25,379 Emma where her normal life was 50 00:02:29,390 --> 00:02:27,420 manageable it was during this period 51 00:02:31,850 --> 00:02:29,400 that she came upon an article about 52 00:02:33,350 --> 00:02:31,860 alien abductions and felt that this was 53 00:02:35,750 --> 00:02:33,360 an area where she might find some 54 00:02:38,449 --> 00:02:35,760 answers Feeney describes her applying 55 00:02:41,089 --> 00:02:38,459 her meticulous attention to detail and 56 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:41,099 naturally analytical mind to herself and 57 00:02:46,610 --> 00:02:43,140 becoming an alien abduction researcher 58 00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:46,620 with herself as the subject in 2002 59 00:02:52,009 --> 00:02:49,200 which his therapist retired and woods 60 00:02:54,650 --> 00:02:52,019 had him give her a written evaluation he 61 00:02:57,050 --> 00:02:54,660 declared her in vainey's words sane and 62 00:03:00,110 --> 00:02:57,060 normal it's confirmed during the podcast 63 00:03:02,449 --> 00:03:00,120 that the document did indeed exist and 64 00:03:05,030 --> 00:03:02,459 was posted on Woods's website which is 65 00:03:07,190 --> 00:03:05,040 no longer active her therapist offered 66 00:03:10,309 --> 00:03:07,200 to help her with her research and did so 67 00:03:12,229 --> 00:03:10,319 until 2006. he gave her advice on how to 68 00:03:13,970 --> 00:03:12,239 collect and present the data and gave 69 00:03:16,190 --> 00:03:13,980 her his opinion on what she gathered 70 00:03:19,130 --> 00:03:16,200 they were careful to only discuss her 71 00:03:21,770 --> 00:03:19,140 research avoided extra socializing and 72 00:03:23,869 --> 00:03:21,780 he gave her no therapy according to Emma 73 00:03:26,509 --> 00:03:23,879 during the interview her therapist found 74 00:03:28,490 --> 00:03:26,519 a page on jacobs's website where Jacobs 75 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:28,500 offered to give therapists advice on 76 00:03:32,990 --> 00:03:30,540 dealing with patients who had these 77 00:03:35,630 --> 00:03:33,000 sorts of experiences and her therapist 78 00:03:38,930 --> 00:03:35,640 emailed him Fannie describes jacobs's 79 00:03:40,670 --> 00:03:38,940 resume Jacob set a PhD in history was an 80 00:03:43,009 --> 00:03:40,680 associate history professor at Temple 81 00:03:44,449 --> 00:03:43,019 University and was the director of the 82 00:03:47,449 --> 00:03:44,459 International Center for abduction 83 00:03:50,869 --> 00:03:47,459 research according to vaney the icar 84 00:03:52,970 --> 00:03:50,879 website described Jacobs as one of the 85 00:03:55,369 --> 00:03:52,980 foremost UFO Abduction researchers 86 00:03:58,490 --> 00:03:55,379 worldwide and offered the reassurance 87 00:04:00,289 --> 00:03:58,500 that he was a strong advocate of strict 88 00:04:02,570 --> 00:04:00,299 scientific and ethical research 89 00:04:05,089 --> 00:04:02,580 methodology with her therapist's 90 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:05,099 recommendation Woods called Jacobs in 91 00:04:10,190 --> 00:04:07,980 September 2002 and left him a voicemail 92 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:10,200 message she asked him to send her 93 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:12,060 therapist the copy of his therapy 94 00:04:16,909 --> 00:04:14,400 guidelines and recommend any researchers 95 00:04:19,430 --> 00:04:16,919 in England Jacobs emailed her therapist 96 00:04:21,469 --> 00:04:19,440 gave him his home phone number for Emma 97 00:04:23,749 --> 00:04:21,479 to call wrote that he would be happy to 98 00:04:26,170 --> 00:04:23,759 help and that he didn't know any capable 99 00:04:29,030 --> 00:04:26,180 vany's word therapists in England 100 00:04:31,189 --> 00:04:29,040 according to vaney woods and Jacobs 101 00:04:34,850 --> 00:04:31,199 developed the dialogue that went into 102 00:04:37,129 --> 00:04:34,860 late 2004 he promised her anonymity and 103 00:04:39,950 --> 00:04:37,139 she sent him parts of her research in 104 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:39,960 2004 she sent him a videotape she'd made 105 00:04:43,969 --> 00:04:42,000 of herself Sleeping that showed her 106 00:04:46,129 --> 00:04:43,979 writing notes on three occasions which 107 00:04:48,650 --> 00:04:46,139 she didn't remember doing this seemed to 108 00:04:50,810 --> 00:04:48,660 be evidence of a sleep disorder and Vani 109 00:04:52,670 --> 00:04:50,820 describes Woods waking up while walking 110 00:04:54,650 --> 00:04:52,680 to the front door and that her 111 00:04:56,330 --> 00:04:54,660 ex-husband would tease her at night when 112 00:04:59,030 --> 00:04:56,340 she did things like that in her sleep 113 00:05:01,370 --> 00:04:59,040 according to vaney Jacobs made no 114 00:05:05,210 --> 00:05:01,380 comment about the tape or her possible 115 00:05:07,189 --> 00:05:05,220 disorder in December 2004 Jacobs offered 116 00:05:09,469 --> 00:05:07,199 to conduct hypnosis sessions over the 117 00:05:12,230 --> 00:05:09,479 phone Jacobs had her sign at Temple 118 00:05:14,510 --> 00:05:12,240 University Research consent form and a 119 00:05:17,030 --> 00:05:14,520 research agreement according to vaney 120 00:05:19,249 --> 00:05:17,040 the consent form stated that every 121 00:05:21,710 --> 00:05:19,259 effort would be made to guarantee her 122 00:05:23,629 --> 00:05:21,720 anonymity and the agreement had the 123 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:23,639 stipulation that she would not play any 124 00:05:28,490 --> 00:05:25,680 tape recordings of the hypnosis sessions 125 00:05:30,890 --> 00:05:28,500 without jacobs's consent there was also 126 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:30,900 a disclaimer Woods was to understand and 127 00:05:35,390 --> 00:05:32,820 that Jacobs was not a professional 128 00:05:37,909 --> 00:05:35,400 hypnotist or therapist that Jacobs has 129 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:37,919 told her that in Vain's words serious 130 00:05:42,830 --> 00:05:40,560 psychological problems could arise as a 131 00:05:45,469 --> 00:05:42,840 result of memory collection and that she 132 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:45,479 released him from all liability Fannie 133 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:47,520 describes another subject of Jacobs 134 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:50,580 referred to as Elizabeth Smith he 135 00:05:54,350 --> 00:05:52,320 describes her case which involved an 136 00:05:55,790 --> 00:05:54,360 affair she was married to a man who 137 00:05:58,070 --> 00:05:55,800 didn't like her leaving the house for 138 00:06:00,290 --> 00:05:58,080 extended periods of time with an alien 139 00:06:02,870 --> 00:06:00,300 human hybrid named Jay who lived up the 140 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:02,880 block she believed it was her job to 141 00:06:08,150 --> 00:06:05,940 help him blend in according to vaney Jay 142 00:06:10,249 --> 00:06:08,160 became an ally of Jacobs during the 143 00:06:12,590 --> 00:06:10,259 breakdown of alien human relationships 144 00:06:15,650 --> 00:06:12,600 that coincided with the arrival of 145 00:06:18,350 --> 00:06:15,660 another woman Emma Woods Elizabeth was 146 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:18,360 jacobs's webmaster wood says during her 147 00:06:23,210 --> 00:06:21,360 interview that in 2005 Jacobs told her 148 00:06:26,270 --> 00:06:23,220 that Elizabeth offered to communicate 149 00:06:28,189 --> 00:06:26,280 with Woods by email as a buddy Woods 150 00:06:29,749 --> 00:06:28,199 said she resisted not wanting to Tain 151 00:06:32,210 --> 00:06:29,759 her memories with those of another 152 00:06:34,550 --> 00:06:32,220 subject but Elizabeth and Jacobs 153 00:06:36,950 --> 00:06:34,560 pressured her and she eventually caved 154 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:36,960 in she and Elizabeth started to share 155 00:06:40,969 --> 00:06:38,880 the stressful experiences they'd had 156 00:06:42,770 --> 00:06:40,979 during their past sessions with Jacobs 157 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:42,780 and wood said she came to consider 158 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:45,360 Elizabeth a friend according to vaney 159 00:06:49,430 --> 00:06:47,460 Elizabeth offered to transcribe the 160 00:06:51,170 --> 00:06:49,440 tapes from Woodson's hypnosis sessions 161 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:51,180 and was given about half of them 162 00:06:56,809 --> 00:06:54,240 amounting to over 100 hours as far as 163 00:06:59,210 --> 00:06:56,819 Woods knew Elizabeth hadn't transcribed 164 00:07:01,189 --> 00:06:59,220 any of them fainey describes Woods's 165 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:01,199 memories of her anomalous experiences 166 00:07:06,050 --> 00:07:03,900 transforming while under the tutelage of 167 00:07:08,689 --> 00:07:06,060 Jacobs into a narrative involving 168 00:07:10,850 --> 00:07:08,699 definite abductions by hybrid pod people 169 00:07:13,189 --> 00:07:10,860 who were infiltrating this planet as 170 00:07:15,469 --> 00:07:13,199 part of a subtle takeover this is a 171 00:07:17,990 --> 00:07:15,479 repeated theme throughout jacobs's books 172 00:07:19,790 --> 00:07:18,000 according to vaney Woods wasn't sure 173 00:07:22,070 --> 00:07:19,800 just when she crossed the line between 174 00:07:24,170 --> 00:07:22,080 fantasy and reality but believed that 175 00:07:26,210 --> 00:07:24,180 Jacobs talking about other subjects 176 00:07:28,670 --> 00:07:26,220 abduction stories while she was under 177 00:07:31,370 --> 00:07:28,680 hypnosis is the reason her trance 178 00:07:34,010 --> 00:07:31,380 testimony produced false memory of 179 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:34,020 malevolent aliens abducting her raping 180 00:07:38,749 --> 00:07:36,300 her and threatening the killer a new 181 00:07:40,249 --> 00:07:38,759 twist was added when Jacobs told Woods 182 00:07:42,950 --> 00:07:40,259 that he was getting instant messages 183 00:07:44,689 --> 00:07:42,960 written on Elizabeth's computer by 184 00:07:47,629 --> 00:07:44,699 hybrids communicating through Elizabeth 185 00:07:49,129 --> 00:07:47,639 the gist of the messages was that the 186 00:07:51,230 --> 00:07:49,139 hybrids were going to shut him up 187 00:07:53,330 --> 00:07:51,240 because he knew too much about them and 188 00:07:55,309 --> 00:07:53,340 their plans according to vaney while 189 00:07:58,790 --> 00:07:55,319 Woods was regressed during her 11th 190 00:08:01,430 --> 00:07:58,800 session on October 2nd 2005 Jacobs told 191 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:01,440 woods they put in Elizabeth's mind that 192 00:08:05,809 --> 00:08:03,840 I would be harmed and that I would be in 193 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:05,819 fact killed and that they would just go 194 00:08:10,969 --> 00:08:08,160 ahead and kill me in some way or have me 195 00:08:13,189 --> 00:08:10,979 kill myself this resulted in Jacobs 196 00:08:14,870 --> 00:08:13,199 using what he called tactics which 197 00:08:16,909 --> 00:08:14,880 included lying to Woods in normal 198 00:08:19,070 --> 00:08:16,919 conversation and during hypnosis 199 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:19,080 sessions to throw the aliens off the 200 00:08:24,409 --> 00:08:21,840 track an Infamous example caught on tape 201 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:24,419 is Jacobs telling a hypnotized Woods 202 00:08:28,430 --> 00:08:26,340 that he had come to the conclusion that 203 00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:28,440 alien abduction claims were the result 204 00:08:32,690 --> 00:08:30,720 of multiple personality disorder and the 205 00:08:35,149 --> 00:08:32,700 that she suffered from it and should 206 00:08:37,490 --> 00:08:35,159 take medication he can be heard saying 207 00:08:40,610 --> 00:08:37,500 and my professional diagnosis therefore 208 00:08:42,769 --> 00:08:40,620 is multiple personality disorder I am 209 00:08:45,470 --> 00:08:42,779 studying it I am writing a book about it 210 00:08:47,930 --> 00:08:45,480 that is my next book I feel that the 211 00:08:50,449 --> 00:08:47,940 whole sort of alien business is all a 212 00:08:52,970 --> 00:08:50,459 matter of multiple personality disorder 213 00:08:55,130 --> 00:08:52,980 Woods came to the conclusion most people 214 00:08:57,650 --> 00:08:55,140 more than likely would have and that was 215 00:09:00,230 --> 00:08:57,660 that Elizabeth was writing the instant 216 00:09:02,150 --> 00:09:00,240 messages on her own Woods described them 217 00:09:05,150 --> 00:09:02,160 on tape with Jacobs and during the 218 00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:05,160 interview as hoaxes Jacobs took offense 219 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:07,140 at this notion and their difference on 220 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:09,360 this subject led to them parting ways 221 00:09:13,790 --> 00:09:11,760 Woods attempted to work out an agreement 222 00:09:15,410 --> 00:09:13,800 over the phone with Jacobs she let 223 00:09:17,269 --> 00:09:15,420 Jacobs know she was taping the 224 00:09:19,430 --> 00:09:17,279 conversation regarding what they would 225 00:09:21,710 --> 00:09:19,440 say on their respective websites about 226 00:09:23,389 --> 00:09:21,720 stopping their work together Woods 227 00:09:25,130 --> 00:09:23,399 didn't see how she could avoid giving 228 00:09:27,829 --> 00:09:25,140 her opinion that the instant messages 229 00:09:30,170 --> 00:09:27,839 were hoaxed and Jacobs can be heard on 230 00:09:32,990 --> 00:09:30,180 tape saying she'd be attacking his 231 00:09:35,329 --> 00:09:33,000 credibility his reputation and even 232 00:09:38,150 --> 00:09:35,339 threatening the welfare of his family is 233 00:09:39,650 --> 00:09:38,160 she made her opinion public Jacobs more 234 00:09:42,350 --> 00:09:39,660 than hinted that he would call her 235 00:09:44,509 --> 00:09:42,360 sanity in the question in response they 236 00:09:46,430 --> 00:09:44,519 failed to come to an agreement and woods 237 00:09:48,829 --> 00:09:46,440 made not only her opinion of the instant 238 00:09:51,530 --> 00:09:48,839 messages public but also a series of 239 00:09:53,449 --> 00:09:51,540 tapes capturing Jacobs in what might be 240 00:09:56,810 --> 00:09:53,459 considered less than professional 241 00:10:00,350 --> 00:09:56,820 moments next week UFO Abduction research 242 00:10:02,329 --> 00:10:00,360 gone sideways part 2 Charles Lear is the 243 00:10:15,430 --> 00:10:02,339 author of The Flying Saucer 244 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,630 [Music]